Should I buy an e or an i

[SegwayUtah]

When the i and e were announced, I thought it would be awesome to get an e-series, but they were *so* expensive. I know we've been over this a few times, but I'm still not certain which one to get :)

I have heard from some people that the e and i series ride the same, and I've been told privately that they are very very different. Most people seem to indicate that the i series is the way to go, but for only $500 more the electronic kickstand would be cool! Plus I could put on the side and front bags when I needed to carry stuff, which would also be awesome.

Okay, so what does everyone think?!? :) Sorry to bring this up YET AGAIN . . .

Chris

[gotseg]

Id go for the i-s anytime. Altho the e-s includes the e-stand and a greater weight capacity, its not worth the 800$ more... Also ive heard a few bad things about gliding with the e-s, such as it was always wanting to go into e-stand mode. Personal pick, i-s.

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[pam]

I have an i, and prefer an i - I've got briefcase carriers from Wayne if I want or need to "imitate" an e - the only thing I don't have is the electronic kickstand, and I'm not willing to trade off my range for the electronic kickstand. I like the freedom to lean that I have with the i, when I go around corners, etc.
Pam

[segwayowner]

go for the i-series. you can make the kickstand by putting weight in your bags or on the mat. its cheaper and easier.

DES: Segway owner

[pt]

segwayutah-

how will be using your ht? for what uses?

cheers,
pt




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[Zorba9]

Owning one of each gives me a unique perspective.
On the negative side-
1.You will spend well over $1000 more for a E model
$500 initial cost over I model
$250 cost of E model training
$??? cost of getting to the east coast(FL or NH)for said training,
transportation once there, room & board
2.You will have 15-20% less range than an I model (E-stand feature is
running all the time using more battery)
3.Extremely difficult to give demos on (can't hold the control shaft
while someone is climbing aboard)
4.The E model does not come with any kind of non-use kickstand, it
must be chocked or leaned up against something (for $6000?)
5.The side bags must always be in place with at least 5lbs of weight
in the back of each side.
On the plus side-
1.The E-stand! Invaluable if you are on and off the machine alot
(I am off machine as much as on it sometimes)
2.Factory baggage system for tools, groceries, spare batteries, etc.
3.Did I mention the E-stand? It is so cool to see it standing by
itself!!

All in all, If I didn't use the E-stand regularly, spending the extra money would have been a waste.With the after-market baggege systems I think most people will get by just fine with the I model and in lots of cases the extra range will mean riding home instead of walking.

Keep On Gliding!


Zorba9.....

[BruceWright]

The I is so amazing and wonderous, I've never for a second wanted an E, or felt I was somehow missing out.

It sounds like the E is kind of a burden. I wouldn't want or need it.

-Bruce Wright

Segway: Vehicle of Dream

[SegwayUtah]

PT,

This one is just for my personal use. I'll be using it some around warehouses, but it's mostly for my personal commuting. I was hoping that I could get an 'e' and that it would act like an 'i' with the bags off. I figured that the 'e' not having a kickstand wouldn't be a really big deal, as I could always improvise that when it was parked by leaning it against something (I figure the kickstand would break easily on the 'i' anyway).

Zorba9,

I think you just made my decision with #3:

> 3.Extremely difficult to give demos on (can't hold the control
> shaft while someone is climbing aboard)

Well, the E is definitely not for me then as my primary device--I fully intend to give a *ton* of demos.

And a note on #4:

> 4.The E model does not come with any kind of non-use kickstand, it
> must be chocked or leaned up against something (for $6000?)

I kind of figured that the kickstand would get broken in the first few days anyway (ha ha) :)

BTW, for those that have the e-stand, three quick questions:

a) is it *really* difficult to give demos on the e-stand version?
b) if you aren't running with the bags on and you turn off the Segway whenever you're off of it, does it really decrease the range much, if any at all?
c) does it behave like the 'i' at all with the bags off, or is it like, say, an untrained horse? :)

So excited to get a Segway for myself; I imagine we'll probably get an E series for work as well--this one is just for me to use primarily. I'm guessing I'll end up getting a P series when they come out for my personal use as well when I want to be "low profile."

Chris

[pt]

chris-

based on all this, the i series is really the best unit for you i think.

cheers,
pt



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[Lohja]

My first impression on the E-series is it looks like a police vehicle. Kind of like a motorcycle with saddle bags. Most of the people I talked with in April at Epcot in Florida told me they liked the I-series best. These are people who rode them free every day for work and who could choose either one. For looks, the E-series is best. It seems to look more complete. Personally, if I were walking by and decided to step on one or the other while parked, I'd step on the I-series first. The E-series looks more intimidating and complex.

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[Murray Fisher]

Isn't the whole question of choice of an E or I unit academic anyway. I just ordered mine yesterday from NEVrland and had asked if it would be desirable to get the E unit for only $500 more with its electronic "stand" They told me that I would have to be in business and fill out a bunch of forms etc to get the E unit. Also they said it was more cumbersome to use. That ended THAT discussion My only problem was that it cost me 10k!! My wife required that she be given a like amount and NOT for a Segway!! Ho Ho.

quote:Originally posted by pt

chris-

based on all this, the i series is really the best unit for you i think.

cheers,
pt



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Murray Fisher

[toybuilder]

Based on conversations with the Segway-curious, I get the feeling that non-early-adopters in the city will actually prefer the P-series when it comes out; and not only because it's (marginally) cheaper.

Of course, it could be that I am biasing them when I tell them that I think the loss of 4" would give me more manueverability on narrow sidewalks and doorways, and that the smaller size would make it easier to put in the trunk of a car...



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[pam]

I'm actually looking forward to the "p" because of it's ability to put in a trunk, etc. I sorta shot my wad on the "i" - and am glad I have it, but the "p" is definitely in line at some point, for my "traveling HT".
Pam

[Lohja]

quote:Originally posted by toybuilder

Based on conversations with the Segway-curious, I get the feeling that non-early-adopters in the city will actually prefer the P-series when it comes out; and not only because it's (marginally) cheaper.

Of course, it could be that I am biasing them when I tell them that I think the loss of 4" would give me more manueverability on narrow sidewalks and doorways, and that the smaller size would make it easier to put in the trunk of a car...

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It's like the difference between a full size automobile and a PT Cruiser. They both work fine; but it's a matter of confort. I'm a little crowded on the i-series, especially with the "loaded" BC Carriers. The p-series must be worse because it's smaller. However, it's also 40% cheaper. It's kind of like a compact HT. There's a BIG difference when you see them side-by-side. I wonder why Segway didn't start out with the p-series and skip the i-series? If we never saw an i we would be happy with the p. Heck, we could get an electric scooter for $1,100. That's smaller than the p---and 65% cheaper.

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[Neelix]

If Segway had gone with just the Metro, there would be some people who would not buy one, because of the decreased range compared to an I. I personally need the range of an I, mostly because I would have to commute up and down a HUGE hill. If Segway had only produced the Metro, which is indeed MUCH smaller when you see them side by side, I would not even be considering the purchase of an HT. As it stands, I am a bit worried that I will need to hoof it for the last leg of my journey.

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[Sunday]

Looks like the I's have it, eh? But for me, the metro actually looks ike it would work best. Park City is pretty small, and we have very narrow sidewalks in Old Town. And it seems to fit so very nicely in a trunk of a car too. Maybe you'll wait and get a Metro, then you could post the first user report of it, and be the coolest person on the list...for a while:)

Another benefit of a Metro, it would be easier to get on and off TRAX and the bus.



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[Deviant]

I really doubt the Metro will be 40% cheaper. Prior posts hinted at around 10% cheaper, which is more likely as the e vs. i is around 10% difference. While we all wanted to see a $3,000 HT, it's not happening this year.

[jillmac]

I though the e would be really cool with the bags etc. but even though I received my new bag for the i last week I have found that I still like riding the Seg 'naked.'

I really didn't find the new bag particularly easy to use - all that velcro - and I like the look of the Segway without anything attached. I use one of those small Nike backpacks the ones with the string straps. This fits easily onto my back with most of what I want to carry and if I don't want to carry it, it slips over the handlebars either outside, or inside. I almost wish I hadn't bothered to order the bag. For the price tag I think it will get very little use at all.

Looking at the e - I don't think I would be happy with all that luggage. Then again, I use mine more for pleasure than necessity.

Jill

Nothing is inexplicable, merely unexplained..... Dr. Who

[Sid Viscous]

"a) is it *really* difficult to give demos on the e-stand version?"
It's actually easier if you know what your doing, but requires a light touch and that the rider NOT get off until you instruct them too.

"b) if you aren't running with the bags on and you turn off the Segway whenever you're off of it, does it really decrease the range much, if any at all?"
Do not ride an E with the bags off.

"c) does it behave like the 'i' at all with the bags off, or is it like, say, an untrained horse? :)"

It behaves very much like an untrained horse when there is no rider if you take the bags off.

[BruceWright]

Here's a question then...

If the e rides like an untrained horse when you take the bags off, is it all because of the e-stand?

You say "do not ride an e with the bags taken off" is this just because of the mount-dismount issues, or something else?

The reason I ask is that some of us are adding cargo-carrying abilities (like Wayne) to our I-series, and haven't reported any problems. Is there a looming *too much cargo* problem with Segway responsiveness? Or is this just an e-stand thing?

-Bruce Wright

Segway: Vehicle of Dream

[Sid Viscous]

Just an e-stand tyhing Bruce. The only issues are during dismount, or putting the machine in balance mode via the button rather than rider-detects.

So even if you can get on and ride, you can't get off unless you know the fault trick.

Keeping in mind that the E needs the CS to be perpindicular, rather than a flat base, to go into balance mode, making it slightly more difficult.

Short answer, don't take the bags of an E, and adding weight to an I causes no problems other than diminshed range.

[jacksonshaw]

I ride my E model with the bags off half of the time, electronic kickstand is non-operational. My key puts it into follow me mode. With Control Shaft Verticle the instant I step on, it is in self balance. In dismounting, the instant I remove my last foot from platform, I push the red button for one second which puts it into follow me mode. Took a few practice dismounts to get the timing right.