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BenBethel
03-31-2003, 01:21 PM
This is now my eighth day of gliding - and I must say it's been quite the experience! Highlights:

I've calculated 64 miles so far.

I've gone inside the Phoenix Art Museum, a few cafés, an open air mall, my office, a hair salon, a fire station, and a trader joe's grocery store.

Only problems - the open air mall security pounced on me, then I showed them the law here in Arizona and they backed off. And the Phoenix Art Museum, where the main security guard was being totally closed minded... which was fine, but he refused to even look at the law! Then, I went in the museum by foot and saw several people with strollers, several people on electric carts, and even a frail gentleman pushing his wife up a steep pedestrian ramp that has signs on it saying "no wheelchairs" as it's meant to move masses of people to the next level, but not really for wheelchairs!

I've had cars screech to a halt on busy boulevards, people slow down to talk to me as I'm gliding - for half a mile - lots of smiles, lots of laughter, probably close to one hundred demonstrations, people genuinely appreciative of the technology.

Not for everyone, but I've gotten to the point where I don't even use the control stick unless I'm turning. And I make small adjustments to the left and right by shifting my weight. This just adds to the magic of gliding, but at the expense of very, very sore calves and quadriceps at the end of each day, and I think I'm actually in pretty good shape.

I only wish there were more people with them here in Phoenix. I ride the busiest streets in the busiest section of town, downtown through mid-town and up to uptown and back, every single day. I'm giving Segway a lot of exposure, and soon it'll have to catch on and soon I'm hoping that there will be more people with them.

I just don't think that online sales are the forum for this product. Granted, it only took me 30 seconds of gliding to decide to make the purchase, but I would not have blindly purchased a segway due to my budget. If there were stores or dealerships or even temporary sales locations at local malls, car dealerships, bike shops, street festivals, etc. then they'd sell a lot more quickly.

The biggest area to sell these, and it sounds really terrible, is probably to people who must have mobility but can no longer drive, such as those people with DUIs... here in Phoenix DUIs are a way of life for many people. After your first DUI, you lose your license for a year and then your basic insurance becomes $300-400 a month. There are a lot of people out there who should not be driving, but still are - without a license or insurance! And sadly, these people are probably still drinking and driving.

Can't wait to see what happens when the 'p' comes out and the 'i' drops in price and they hit brick-and-mortar retail locations. I think they'll slowly trickle into society and then hopefully explode and will become commonplace.

Anyway - just a few thoughts from my first 8 days of gliding! This is a purchase I will never regret.

Ben

www.benbethel.com




JohnM
03-31-2003, 02:20 PM
quote:Originally posted by BenBethel


The biggest area to sell these, and it sounds really terrible, is probably to people who must have mobility but can no longer drive, such as those people with DUIs... here in Phoenix DUIs are a way of life for many people. After your first DUI, you lose your license for a year and then your basic insurance becomes $300-400 a month. There are a lot of people out there who should not be driving, but still are - without a license or insurance! And sadly, these people are probably still drinking and driving.

Your absolutely right: Selling Segways to drunks sounds really terrible.

BenBethel
03-31-2003, 02:49 PM
I knew it sounded bad, but it'd be better to have people on their segways than in cars, at least they'd only kill themselves. My brother killed his best friend drinking and driving when he was a few months away from his 16th birthday. If they were on their bikes or some other slower and less dangerous mode of transportation they may have had a few scratches and bruises.

And again, you shouldn't say 'selling to drunks' - just because someone had a DUI doesn't mean that they're still going to be driving around drunk. It just means that these people in this extremely auto dependent city of nearly 4 million people really need to have an option to poor public transit or even poorer taxis. The market is huge, with around

We're the 6th worst city in the US for fatal DUIs with 488 deaths in 2002. In fiscal year 2001 we had 7,383 DUI arrests - with over 10,000 expected in 2003. Get these people out of cars and onto their feet, onto bikes, onto buses, or even on to segways... anything besides a car.

When people have their license suspended they're usually hopping right back into their cars - they need other options! If their license is suspended there is no way for them to get insurance - if they get into an accident or hurt someone, you better hope that your insurance is good...

Again, I think Segways are a great option for people who knew they made a mistake. Just because they were caught doesn't mean they're always driving drunk. Just like most drunks are never caught...

Segways - solving the weirdest problems in today's society!

Ben

www.benbethel.com

JohnM
03-31-2003, 02:59 PM
quote:Originally posted by BenBethel


When people have their license suspended they're usually hopping right back into their cars - they need other options!


Right. Jail time.

JohnM - FADS(Father Against Drunken Segways)

Runnin' with the Big Dogs

cstull
03-31-2003, 03:21 PM
We really don't want to encourage people who have had their licenses revoked for DUI to be riding Segways. That is one of the concerns expressed in the City of Oakland prohibition pending next week.

Since Arizona, and presumably the other 34 states, requires the rider to be 16, maybe the next logical step will be to require a driver's license. That would help enforce the age requirement and eliminate the other, undersirable attitude type, from gliding.

The downside of a license requirment would be that some of the elderly, who have given up their driver's license for safety reasons, would lose an option for mobility that the Segway could provide.

Craig

pt
03-31-2003, 03:43 PM
ben-

congrats on the gliding. today i hit 120 days and 600+ miles-- i'm sure many others here will as well.

cheers,
pt


http://www.bookofseg.com

Peter iNova
03-31-2003, 04:03 PM
quote:Originally posted by cstull


The downside of a license requirment would be that some of the elderly, who have given up their driver's license for safety reasons, would lose an option for mobility that the Segway could provide.

Or... A Segway "card" showing that they have been trained. Plus a law that says skating, bicycling, running, and Segwaying when drunk is an offense.

-iNova

http://www.glidewalk.com

BenBethel
03-31-2003, 04:23 PM
JohnM: Jail time is already a mandate - there is no way around it in Arizona - 24 hours to 30 days for your first offense, 30 to 180 days for your second offense, and 3 to 5 years for your third offense - although after x number of years you get back to the first offense stage for some reason. This applies to any form of street transportation - whether you're in a car or on a bike. A segway, being on a sidewalk would be a little different.

...and for the other person who said: "Or... A Segway "card" showing that they have been trained. Plus a law that says skating, bicycling, running, and Segwaying when drunk is an offense."

Being drunk in public is already an offense. A Segway card? Great, just what we need is even more regulation for something that's a whole lot safer than rollerblading, skateboarding, ice skating, and mountain biking. Plus, who really needs training? I admit that it was nice since I knew so little, but it was really unnecessary and won't even be offered past 7/31 unless you pay for yourself to travel to get it.

I don't want to start a flame, so I think I'll just end this by saying that there are a lot of people out there who get DUIs each year - nearly 10,000 in metro Phoenix. Over 10 years, that's 100,000 people plus 50% or so to accommodate for our massive growth here. They're not drunk 100% of the time, and I feel that's how some on this thread are treating it. It's just that there's a huge market for people who have no other options, who've made their mistake, and who are still paying for it today, with the average total cost of a DUI in Arizona being $15K in fines, court ordered classes, and increasd auto insurance coverage.

Back to the topic - my first week has been great! I believe my demos to friends and neighbors and strangers have resulted in around 6 sales. That's pretty good! Too bad I'm not getting a commission!

Our challenge now should be to convince one person a *day* to order a Segway! We encounter enough people to really make this happen! When the Metro version comes out they should be flying off the shelves!

Ben

www.benbethel.com

2totango
03-31-2003, 04:39 PM
Hey Ben-
I'm for anything that will provide an option. I managed a liquor store for some years and every year I drank less and less---from what I saw.

I no longer believe that drunks cause "accidents"--they are the result of deliberate decisions to drive while incapacitated and should be treated as deliberate injuries and property damage. I believe now that the only reason people see spitting on the sidewalk as a deliberate disgusting action but see a pedestrian run over by a drunk as an accident is because the lawyers and judges etc. also drink too much on occasion and are afraid they too would be properly held accountable.

Besides people on Segway HTs would immediately realize how vulnerable it is without sheet steel surrounding them and they damn well wouldn't want some drunk driver headed their way.

pt
03-31-2003, 05:04 PM
i think johnm has once again passive-aggressively derailed a thread :-]

cheers,
pt

http://www.bookofseg.com

JohnM
03-31-2003, 06:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by pt

i think johnm has once again passive-aggressively derailed a thread :-]


Derailed? Ben raised the issue that many DUI offenders continue to drink and drive, and that they be could be turned loose on Segways. I responded. Defend Ben's comments if you can. Attack my belief that a drunk on wheels (2, 4, 1 or 18) remains a hazard to himself and others, on the sidewalk or in the street. Take a stand and join the discussion.

Who's realy derailing the thread?

pt
03-31-2003, 06:21 PM
johnm-

send me a private email / message when you get a chance, thanks.

cheers,
pt

http://www.bookofseg.com