Body Bags - sick?

[Spider108]

My wife and I do alot of traveling and we take our i180's every chance we get. I got tired of freeting about the dirt, dust and sometimes "sprinkles" we get while driving to our locations.

I contacted a wholesale body bag distributor on the net and purchased two "sample" bags.

They fit quite nicely in the bags and do prevent the above containiments.

Thought I would pass it on as it WAS a brilliant idea from an often twisted glider.

[SegwayDan]

Sounds like a good solution!

Describe their construction.

[Spider108]

Measuring 36" x 90", each bag is mirror glazed for easier handling during transfers. The bags contain no chlorides nor carbon, permitting their use in crematories.

Hand stitched and heat sealed insure superior strength and safety, they can hold 200-250 lbs, while providing containment of blood borne pathogens.

They have a cracking point of 25-32 degrees below zero, unlike many other bags that crack much higher temperatures.

http://www.seaservices.com/t/

[wwhopper]

That looks like a great way to protect the seg from dusty environments, just make sure if you leave them stored for long periods of time, you plug the seg in.

[SegwayDan]

Interesting! Never saw these up close. Thanks!

[Segwaiian]

:eek: Please let us know what kind of comments you get from passers-by who might be coroners, embalmers, etc.

Just don't use it as a sleeping bag, you might wake up in a very cold, dark place. ;)

Aloha,
Roger

[Skinnee D]

Just don't use it as a sleeping bag, you might wake up in a very cold, dark place.Do you mean Canada-mid winter??

[SEGsby]

Chances are, if you saw them up close, you'd be outside your body after a presumably traumatic event? ;)

[ I used to work in a department next to our county morgue years ago, in another life, so I cracked up reading the description of the bags... I have seen these same bags full of burn victims and they do work, quite well. ]

Sorry.

SEGsby

Interesting! Never saw these up close. Thanks!

[bentbiker]

Measuring 36" x 90", each bag is mirror glazed for easier handling during transfers.

http://www.seaservices.com/t/

Rep points to you for the idea. However, whatever made you think of this -- do you work in an area where these are employed? Are you Dexter?

[nora k]

it was all cool and very CSI-y until i saw the infant one. then i just got sad.

another idea for long term storage is to fully charge the batteries and then remove them from the machine. they store longer in this capacity than attached to the machine.

and if you notice Y incisions into your segways, know immediately that your bag has been tampered with!

[Five-Flags]

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another idea for long term storage is to fully charge the batteries and then remove them from the machine. they store longer in this capacity than attached to the machine.

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Terry,

I'm not sure if this applies to your situation, but I cut and pasted the following from Wikipedia:

"Storage temperature and charge

Storing a Li-ion battery at the correct temperature and charge makes all the difference in maintaining its storage capacity. The following table shows the amount of permanent capacity loss that will occur after storage at a given charge level and temperature.


Permanent Capacity Loss versus Storage Conditions
Storage Temperature 40% Charge 100% Charge
0 °C (32 °F) 2% loss after 1 year 6% loss after 1 year
25 °C (77 °F) 4% loss after 1 year 20% loss after 1 year
40 °C (104 °F) 15% loss after 1 year 35% loss after 1 year
60 °C (140 °F) 25% loss after 1 year 40% loss after 3 months
Source: BatteryUniversity.com
Formatted by: shep


It is significantly beneficial to avoid storing a lithium-ion battery at full charge. A Li-ion battery stored at 40% charge will last many times longer than one stored at 100% charge, particularly at higher temperatures.

If a Li-ion battery is stored with too low a charge, there is a risk of allowing the charge to drop below the battery's low-voltage threshold, resulting in an unrecoverable dead battery. Once the charge has dropped to this level, recharging it can be dangerous. Some batteries therefore feature an internal safety circuit which will prevent charging in this state, and the battery will be for all practical purposes dead."
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Aloha,
Roger



If the table Roger posted is accurate, charging only half-way and then removing would be better for the batteries' overall longevity. It appears to have about five times as much permanent loss of capacity at typical room temperature. While I am always somewhat suspicious of Wiki-type information, this appears to agree with some of Jason's (MTOBATTERY) comments on the behavior of Lithium-Ion batteries.

[nora k]

i do remember seeing that in the other thread and have been so busy i never go around to responding.

i don't want to hijack this thread, so i'll just say that i'm giving the official dealer response and then back to happy body bags. :)
i tell my customers to keep their machines plugged in when not using them and if they are storing for more than a few weeks to charge the batteries fully, then remove them from the machine and store separately.


If the table Roger posted is accurate, charging only half-way and then removing would be better for the batteries' overall longevity. It appears to have about five times as much permanent loss of capacity at typical room temperature. While I am always somewhat suspicious of Wiki-type information, this appears to agree with some of Jason's (MTOBATTERY) comments on the behavior of Lithium-Ion batteries.

[Segwaiian]

Ah, the Invasion of the i180 Snatchers. Coming soon on DVD? :D

It's good to have some light banter everyday.

I know what folks mean about Wikipedia. That lithium battery page did contain a disclaimer that they're looking for an expert, as I recall. Still, it does go along with what Jason Abel has posted in the battery threads.

I now return you to your previous programming.

Aloha,
Roger

[MzSegwayofHawaii]

according to INC, from what I just read, the unit should be kept plugged in at all times, if you're not going to use your unit then detatch the batteries and charge them 1 time every 6 months.

and to the body bags, that's kind of nifty. Dexter...hahahaha.

[Segwaiian]

according to INC, from what I just read, the unit should be kept plugged in at all times, if you're not going to use your unit then detatch the batteries and charge them 1 time every 6 months.


Channelle!

Since you read something directly from Inc. about batteries, would you please post it, verbatim, for us? This assumes that Inc. doesn't have a problem with that.

Aloha,
Roger

[RAG1247]

Channelle!

Since you read something directly from Inc. about batteries, would you please post it, verbatim, for us? This assumes that Inc. doesn't have a problem with that.

Aloha,
Roger

1st - body bags are great!

2nd - from inc's reference manual

To maximize the performance of your Segway PT Batteries, fully
charge your Batteries for at least 12 hours, once a month, or after
every 12 hours of operation—whichever comes first. Charge your
Batteries only when they are within the specified charging
temperature range.

Store your Segway PT (and its Batteries) indoors, in a place that is
free of moisture, humidity, and temperature extremes. Even if you will
not be using your Segway PT for an extended period of time, you
should leave it plugged into AC power. Otherwise the Batteries could
fully discharge over time, causing permanent damage.


Failure to charge the Batteries could result in permanent damage to
them. Left unplugged, the Batteries could fully discharge over time,
causing permanent damage.

I have always from day one, kept all units plugged in all the time, which has been confirmed to me by segway personnel

[Segwaiian]

Oh, no, I hijacked the body bags and turned this into a battery thread! And we were having so much fun, too. Sorry. :(:(:(

I have an i2 reference manual, also, and I'm so O-C that I downloaded copies of it and the Getting Started manual to my home and office computers.

I was hoping to find out if MzSegway had some information as a dealer that we consumers aren't privy to. :D

FYI, but also trying to not take this thread too far off course, here are references to two battery threads, with post numbers for posts by Jason of MTO Betteries:

"Leave it plugged in?"- Posts #5, 6, 11, 16.

"Yet another battery question"- Post #9.

Aloha,
Roger

[nora k]

roger,

channelle and i are quoting the same dealer document. you can take what she and i have written together and know that this is what Inc. is telling its customers to do. the rest of the document is limited to dealers and so rest assured we're telling you what we can.

back to body bags.


Oh, no, I hijacked the body bags and turned this into a battery thread! And we were having so much fun, too. Sorry. :(:(:(

I have an i2 reference manual, also, and I'm so O-C that I downloaded copies of it and the Getting Started manual to my home and office computers.

I was hoping to find out if MzSegway had some information as a dealer that we consumers aren't privy to. :D

FYI, but also trying to not take this thread too far off course, here are references to two battery threads, with post numbers for posts by Jason of MTO Betteries:

"Leave it plugged in?"- Posts #5, 6, 11, 16.

"Yet another battery question"- Post #9.

Aloha,
Roger

i do remember seeing that in the other thread and have been so busy i never go around to responding.

i don't want to hijack this thread, so i'll just say that i'm giving the official dealer response and then back to happy body bags. :)
i tell my customers to keep their machines plugged in when not using them and if they are storing for more than a few weeks to charge the batteries fully, then remove them from the machine and store separately.

according to INC, from what I just read, the unit should be kept plugged in at all times, if you're not going to use your unit then detatch the batteries and charge them 1 time every 6 months.

and to the body bags, that's kind of nifty. Dexter...hahahaha.

[Spider108]

The body bags are great....and, during the travel it's nothing to pull into a parking lot and "Blow the cobwebs out"! after lunch. We also take them into the hotel room over night. Managers don't seem to mind.

I don't know about the whole battery situation but you this thread is going to need a body bag if it continues....

[dexter]

Rep points to you for the idea. However, whatever made you think of this -- do you work in an area where these are employed? Are you Dexter?

No, I am dexter.

And I was dexter before Dexter was Dexter.

dexter

[KSagal]

The body bags thing is great...

To think, I was proud of myself to discover that lawnmower covers from the autoparts store work well...

They do not hold a candle to body bags...

Now, the big question...

Do you have a sliding floor in the back of your station wagon for the segs?