Shooting the Moon [Archive]

Desert_Seg

10-29-2007, 10:05 AM

Well, at long last we have something to post regarding our painted and modified units.

We've been testing paints of all types and finally found one that we like enough to make our standard for all our paint jobs.

The below two shots are just teaser shots of the recently painted (and modified) i2. The paint "flips" depending on the way light hits it and this particular paint (Lunar Illusion) will "show" five (5) different colors - From Bronze to Green and various shades in between.

http://forums.segwaychat.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13397/normal_IMG_0242.jpg

http://forums.segwaychat.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13397/normal_IMG_0240.jpg

Can anybody point out the two (2) changes we've made to the LSF?

Steven

(PS - More pics tomorrow)

gbrandwood

10-29-2007, 10:24 AM

Nice job! I love that effect. I bet the photos aren't even doing it justice.

The vertical portion looks as if it is upside down/back-to front and there's what looks like a knob sticking out just above the end of the curvy bit. Perhaps you've cut it at that point and re-joined?

Why have you had to change the LSF?

bystander

10-29-2007, 11:01 AM

Can anybody point out the two (2) changes we've made to the LSF?As well as the projection that gbrandwood pointed out near the "curvy" part, there seems to be something with a loop on it branching out forward of the LSF near the top. A front bumper? A place to hang something? It seems to be attached at the point where the height adjustment bolt goes.

I agree with grbrandwood, it appears that the projection down at the "curvy" part could be a thumbscrew used to hold the LSF together after you have cut it there to make it easier to load & unload the i2 to / from a vehicle.

I take it the wheels (well, the covers at least) are also painted? Can see the bricks reflected in the glossy paint.

Also, part of the medallion insert is painted, and the chassis seems to be painted, so it's not just the LSF, fenders & console trim that got painted.

The center console proper seems to be a silvery color, in contrast to the "lunar" trim cover.

Thanks for sharing. Heh, heh, you didn't include links to the hi-res shots. I grabbed 'em from the gallery.

http://forums.segwaychat.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13397/thumb_IMG_0242.jpg
click! (http://forums.segwaychat.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13397/IMG_0242.jpg)http://forums.segwaychat.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13397/thumb_IMG_0240.jpg
click! (http://forums.segwaychat.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13397/IMG_0240.jpg)

P.S. With a name like "Lunar Illusion", I suppose it's only a matter of time until spacebatman (http://forums.segwaychat.com/member.php?u=3210) chimes in...

P.P.S. Oh! the upper "thing" that projects in front is not attached to the height ajustment bolt, it in the uppermost hole of the sliding part of the LSF. I guess I was zoomed in too much to notice the proper placement at first!

KSagal

10-29-2007, 11:08 AM

I guess I am hoplessly dated... I read your post about shooting the moon, and my first thoughts were that you were streaking on the segway...

As far as the paint, nice job!

I too noticed the lower knob right away. I was wondering if you either made a disconnect point there, or by making the leansteer into three pieces instead of two, it would be able to collaps shorter for the car and extend longer for taller people.

I also noticed that you added the software to allow the machine to ballance with no rider, like e-stand. Good for you... (Just Kidding)

KSagal

10-29-2007, 11:12 AM

As well as the projection that gbrandwood pointed out near the "curvy" part, there seems to be something with a loop on it branching out forward of the LSF near the top. A front bumper? A place to hang something? It seems to be attached at the point where the height adjustment bolt goes.

...

I believe this is the standard mount for the handlebar bag. I did not see this as a difference. I could easily be wrong.

bystander

10-29-2007, 11:24 AM

I believe this is the standard mount for the handlebar bag. I did not see this as a difference. I could easily be wrong.I'll take your word for it. I am not too familiar with some of the i2 accessories.

P.S. Karl, maybe by breaking the LSF at that point makes it easier to access the accessory battery pack stored inside the LSF!

KSagal

10-29-2007, 11:30 AM

I'll take your word for it. I am not too familiar with some of the i2 accessories.

P.S. Karl, maybe by breaking the LSF at that point makes it easier to access the accessory battery pack stored inside the LSF!

You must remember that I have one set of auxiliery batteries in the leansteer frame, and another in the hollow section of the transmission mount that keeps the transmissions 2 inches outboard of their location on the Gen one machines... It works for me.

Desert_Seg

10-29-2007, 11:46 AM

bystander

10-29-2007, 12:12 PM

1. The knob is a quick disconnect. Remove the thumbscrew and VOILA, you have a two piece LSF, one that allows for quick storage / loading and doesn't require you to remove the compression nut.

(Unfortunately the cut on this LSF was made at the wrong height (it was supposed to be BELOW fender level) so this is now my LSF, all future LSFs will have the cut below the wheel well.)
How low can you make the cut? won't the short vertical strut at the rear of the LSF interfere with the joining hardware at some point? I'm sure you can make it work out, but you might have to make the break a little higher than you want. What does the inside of the "break" look like? Just curious, if you feel it is proprietary at this point, no problem.
2. Yes, everything is painted. Fenders, Medallions, LSF, Console Trim, Inner Hub Covers, Front and Rear Trim. If I could remove it, we painted it (3 coats paint, 3 coats clear).

3. It will be getting a touch up in the next few days. Medallions, Console Trim Insert (where the lights are), all accessory pieces will be [huh, you thought I was going to TELL you?]
Bronzed? Chromed? Gold-leafed? Iridium-plated?
However, one key piece of work is still unidentified. Here is another pic for you to peruse :)
Still haven't figured it out, unless you're going to paint some of those pencil holders to match!
http://forums.segwaychat.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13397/thumb_IMG_0234.jpg
click! (http://forums.segwaychat.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13397/IMG_0234.jpg)

Hint, look low :D

StevenIs it something to do with the medallion? Maybe you've got the flyguy backlit or something?

KSagal

10-29-2007, 12:50 PM

I don't see the white reflective strip, but I do not know if that is what you are talking about.

Also, when you click on the picture, and blow it up, you can see that the platform pad on the right side of the photo is not 'tucked in' near the base of the lean steer frame.

When blown up, you can really see how nice that paint is... Nice job. Are you conserned at all about having the paint on the rubber strip on the bag? (Especially since there is no parking stand on this unit, and it is therefore more likely to be leaned against something)

Desert_Seg

10-29-2007, 02:57 PM

I don't see the white reflective strip, but I do not know if that is what you are talking about.

Nope, not the reflective strip, we will be adding "glow" paint to that section (and man does it glow!)

When blown up, you can really see how nice that paint is...

Thanks!

Nice job. Are you conserned at all about having the paint on the rubber strip on the bag? (Especially since there is no parking stand on this unit, and it is therefore more likely to be leaned against something)

No, not concerned at all (btw, it is plastic, not rubber) as it will be getting a kickstand as soon as they get here (and the IKEA pencil holder does just fine, mind you!). We will be highlighting the Segway letters in the near future.

Three final pictures for you to peruse:

http://forums.segwaychat.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13397/normal_IMG_0232.jpg http://forums.segwaychat.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13397/normal_IMG_0233.jpg

And Finally....

http://forums.segwaychat.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13397/normal_IMG_0249.jpg

Boy is that a smooth finish! :D

Steven

Desert_Seg

10-29-2007, 03:05 PM

BTW, except for the floor mats and the Handlebar Bag, everything on that unit is original, with more than 1,900 (rough) miles on them.

This unit (and all its parts) has been through the ocean, through the desert (sort of), across the beach, and over miles and miles of hot UAE asphalt it has taken me for coffee, to the grocery store, to work and back, to the dry cleaners, to my neighborhood pub, and just plain gliding.

At last count it had done more than 350 demos (that's when I quit counting), 4 trade shows, two golf photo shoots, and countless other abnormal tasks.

Throughout it all it has stood up to the weather and everything I have thrown at it. Yes, it had some nicks and cuts but it now looks so purty! almost brand new, if you know what I mean (nothing like putting lipstick on a pig!).

Steven

Wallace

10-29-2007, 03:35 PM

We wanted to lower the overall height to get the TALL I2 into a Van, SUV or Station Wagon and restore the "lost" Power Assist Function to power the 105 lb Gen II up a ramp into the vehicle.

bystander

10-29-2007, 03:52 PM

http://forums.segwaychat.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13397/thumb_IMG_0232.jpg
click! (http://forums.segwaychat.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13397/IMG_0232.jpg)

http://forums.segwaychat.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13397/thumb_IMG_0233.jpg
click! (http://forums.segwaychat.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13397/IMG_0233.jpg)

http://forums.segwaychat.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13397/thumb_IMG_0249.jpg
click! (http://forums.segwaychat.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13397/IMG_0249.jpg)
Thanks for the additional pics, added links to hi-res shots.

Since the LSF can now be knocked down without removing the compression nut, would it be practical to place painted caps over the access openings either side?

Desert_Seg

10-29-2007, 04:10 PM

Thanks for the additional pics, added links to hi-res shots.

Since the LSF can now be knocked down without removing the compression nut, would it be practical to place painted caps over the access openings either side?

All follow-on LSFs will have something similar (even this one, once we get the measurements right) to what you describe. This is one of those things we overlooked once we had the LSF taped off.

Sigh, nobody has seen the work we did yet :(

Steven

bystander

10-29-2007, 04:22 PM

All follow-on LSFs will have something similar (even this one, once we get the measurements right) to what you describe. This is one of those things we overlooked once we had the LSF taped off.

Sigh, nobody has seen the work we did yet :(

StevenHa! what a great clue!

It's the filets, or rather the lack of the weld marks at the joints. Somebody must of painstakingly ground them down.

Nice job! And very subtle!

Desert_Seg

10-29-2007, 04:28 PM

Ha! what a great clue!

It's the filets, or rather the lack of the weld marks at the joints. Somebody must of painstakingly ground them down.

Nice job! And very subtle!

EXACTLY! I think we will be the fastest Segway out there, by micro-seconds, now that we don't have the drag of the weld marks.

Because of where the separation joint has been place we couldn't do the top part of the gusset but all others will be one seamless piece.

The paint's cool, but the smooth finish is the best part, if you ask me.

Steven

nickyboy

10-29-2007, 04:28 PM

Cracking paint job, Steven. When the infil and lettering are done (what colour?) it will look stunning.

Desert_Seg

10-29-2007, 04:30 PM

We wanted to lower the overall height to get the TALL I2 into a Van, SUV or Station Wagon and restore the "lost" Power Assist Function to power the 105 lb Gen II up a ramp into the vehicle.

Wallace,

We are experimenting with "invisible hinges" also but you are slightly ahead of us.

Nice implementation and it does give me some ideas.

Steven

Desert_Seg

10-29-2007, 04:35 PM

Cracking paint job, Steven. When the infil and lettering are done (what colour?) it will look stunning.

Haven't settled on the lettering and infill color yet. I was leaning towards a metallic green that matches that of the flip but it doesn't pop enough so it's off to find another.

Metallic Pearl is also a leading candidate...

Any thoughts?

Steven

its5boys

10-30-2007, 04:54 AM

Haven't settled on the lettering and infill color yet. I was leaning towards a metallic green that matches that of the flip but it doesn't pop enough so it's off to find another.

Metallic Pearl is also a leading candidate...

Any thoughts?

Steven

Hi great paint job!
As a custom painter myself, I can appreciate all the work that went into this unit...very nice.
I'm familiar with the color you chose and I think that a copper, gold or burnished leafing would be very cool. It would definitely pop and go very well with all the flipping colors, as they change.
The burnished leafing would be my number one choice, but that's just my opinion. Let us see it when you're done.

Jimmy

nickyboy

10-30-2007, 04:54 PM

Haven't settled on the lettering and infill color yet. I was leaning towards a metallic green that matches that of the flip but it doesn't pop enough so it's off to find another.

Metallic Pearl is also a leading candidate...

Any thoughts?

Steven

Huh, Jimmy beat me to it, I was thinking along the gold lines as well.

Actually, if metallic pearl is the colour I'm thinking of, it could look real subtle as an overall paint job.