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DCTenor1
08-01-2007, 06:36 PM
MATT'S 300-MILE SEGWAY REPORT
(Posted on SegwayChat.com and on my personal web site, www.BeforeISleep.net)

As of today, August 1, I will have hit the 300-mile marker on my Segway. :) This is after a total of just under two months (I got it on June 5th) -- and keep in mind that I lost my InfoKey for a week. (Thank goodness for the free spare, which arrived just before I went mad from Segway-withdrawal.) I want to take this opportunity to share my thoughts, experiences, and suggestions. Hopefully my write-up will convince others to take the plunge and buy a Segway. Believe me, you will be very happy with your decision!

I had dismissed the Segway as a nutty fad when I first heard about it several years ago. But when I was sitting in a Dupont Starbucks in May, I saw a DC police officer gliding past the window, and I realized the Segway might be the answer to my transportation woes. You see, I live in Washington, DC, and I had been spending a LOT of time waiting for the bus, sitting on the bus, walking from the bus -- it seemed like public transportation was sucking up hours of my day! I knew there had to be a better way.

So when the cop zoomed by, I thought, "Oh yeah, Segways! I wonder what ever happened to those?" After some cursory research, I learned that, while still not "popular," Segways had come far in recent years, and now had a nifty new "LeanSteer" feature that let me control my turns simply by leaning. I remembered missing that feature when I had looked into Segways originally, and I was glad to see it had finally arrived. After some more Googling, I learned of the existence of the DC Segway Users Group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dc-segways/), and e-mailed for permission to join the Yahoo group. Will Hopper, a Segway dealer out of Annapolis, wrote back and told me about a group glide that was taking place the next day in DC. It just so happened he had an extra Segway, and wanted to know if I would like to join them? Hell yeah!

The group glide was a milestone. Six or seven of us zoomed through DC and up Embassy Row on Massachusetts Avenue. It was SO much fun, and I made a slick 9-minute video of my adventure (http://www.beforeisleep.net/2007/05/gliding-in-washington-dc.html) and sent it around to friends and family. For the next several days, I could think of little else but getting my very own Segway. I even had dreams about it! Finally, after learning that I could get a very good financing deal from my bank, I decided to take the plunge.

This is what I have learned:

Efficiency and Cost

Before I got the Segway, I had three options for getting to work: drive, walk, or take the bus. Driving eats up gas, but more importantly, it eats up quite a bit of parking meter change -- something like $8 a day -- so that's out. Walking the 2.7 miles takes almost an hour each way, and humid DC summers would leave me drenched by the time I got to work, so that's out. The only other option was the bus. The bus costs $1.25 each way. It takes, on average, about 15 minutes to wait for the bus, another 20 to get to the nearest stop, and another 7 to walk the 1/3 mile to work: that's almost 45 minutes. So, each weekday, I was spending $2.50 and wasting an hour and a half in commute time. For the 25 work days of August, I'd be paying $62.50 in fares and spending 37.5 hours walking to or from the bus, waiting for the bus, and riding the bus.

IMG_1260 Enter the Segway. In the time it used to take simply to wait for the bus, I make the full journey to work. Door-to-door, it takes around 17 minutes. That's less than 35 minutes a day. It doesn't cost me a thing, because I plug it in downstairs, using the apartment building's electricity. (Even if I had to pay for it myself, it only costs about 10 cents to charge it fully -- and I only use about 1/4 of the battery on my daily commute -- so let's say maybe 3 cents a night, or less than a dollar a month.) For the 25 work days of August, I will be paying essentially nothing, and spending a measly 14 hours commuting. This gives me almost an extra hour a day -- or 23.5 hours a month. This is a LOT of extra time. I use it to spend more time with friends, read more, go to the gym more. What would you do with an extra hour every day?

I've also found that, because I use the Segway more for little trips around the neighborhood that I would usually use my car for, I am saving at least $50 per month on gas, and more likely $100. And I keep finding more uses for it: A couple weeks ago, I was determined to prove wrong the common misconception that you can't carry home a week's worth of groceries on the handlebars. Well guess what -- I must have hung 60 pounds worth of groceries (http://www.flickr.com/photos/liquidschwartz/820461407/) from the bars! I just had to make sure to lean back enough to compensate for the added weight up front. Admittedly, this is probably not recommended -- and I plan to get the cargo plate add-on soon -- but it was amusing.

In terms of cost, five grand is a lot of money to shell out. But with the good rate I got on my personal loan from the bank, I'm only paying $112 a month for the privilege of riding a Segway. With conservative estimates of $62.50 saved per month on bus fare and $50 saved per month on gas, the Segway is quite literally paying for itself.

Bystander Reaction

I will admit that when I am riding my Segway, All Eyes Are On Me. When I first got it, I was fairly uncomfortable with all the attention, but I think that's because I was nervous about what others would think. I was concerned that I would get a lot of negative comments, but in reality, the reaction has been almost entirely positive. At best, people are really excited about it and want to ask me questions about it. Most just look at the Segway with a look of bemused curiosity. The drunk ones almost always point, laugh, hoot and holler, but that is to be expected from drunkards. Very rarely, someone will glare at me for daring to share the sidewalk with them. The nerve!

Now, all eyes are Still on me, but I no longer pay much attention to it. I ride with headphones in, generally listening to NPR, and by the time people notice they have just been passed by a guy on a Segway, I am long gone. My newfound nonchalance about being looked at all the time is probably akin to what new celebrities go through. It sometimes can be annoying, losing your anonymity, but you learn to live with it.

People love to ask questions, and a good rule of thumb is that the later you are for an appointment, the more often you will be stopped by curious bystanders. The three most common questions, by far, are:

1. How fast?
2. How far?
3. How much?

Usually in that order.

My answers to questions 1 and 2 are usually met by an appreciative nod; Answer 3 often doesn't sit well. But the good part about getting the same questions all the time is that I can try out different responses to see which elicit the best reaction! (My new answer to question 3 is, "It's free!" I then explain that the savings balances out the cost.) I have kept a log of the most interesting reactions on my Web site, where I have a feature entitled, "Segway Reaction of the Day!" (http://www.beforeisleep.net/labels/SRD.html) (SRD.) It is a fairly popular feature. Highly recommended. I also map out all the SRDs on a Google Map (http://www.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=100101455227565172595.0000011373620add38d38&om=1&t=k&ll=38.908534,-77.051668&spn=0.047888,0.076904&z=14).

I was fully prepared for people to taunt me as I rode past. I expected them to shout out, "Dork!" or "Fa**ot!" or some other such nonsense. That hasn't happened. People still shout, but in a totally positive way. It usually happens on Friday or Saturday night in some trendy area like Dupont or Georgetown. Drunken people will see me and excitedly blurt out, "Segway!", for they have never seen one in person before. To which I sometimes respond, as I zoom past, "Seeeeeggggwaaaaaay!!!" We are like Daniel Laruso and Mr. Miyagi, crying "Banzai!!!" to each other. It is a battle cry, a call between warriors. In that moment, glider and bystander are one.

"Seeeeggggwaaaay!!!!!"

Of the thousands of people have seen me on my Segway in the last 300 miles, only a few have been openly hostile. In response to the few people who are jerks, I have learned to develop several good comebacks. One person told me that I was really annoying, zooming around on my Segway. I responded, saucily, "I step off the Segway and I won't be annoying anymore. You don't have that solution."

And every so often, someone will stop you and practically beg to use it. A few days after I got it, a woman's jaw dropped as she saw me coming. She stopped me, and said, "It has always been a personal dream of mine to ride a Segway." How could I say no to that?

Ride Safety

Before I bought my i2, I had wondered if I would have to be more careful gliding down the sidewalk than I would be riding a bike down the sidewalk. After 300 miles, I can say that the answer is "yes" -- but just because it is very easy to push the Segway to its limits, traveling 12.5 mph with the power of thought, and "forget" to pay attention to all the divots and bumps in the sidewalk. Pay attention, keep your knees slightly bent, and lean into curves and turns, and the Segway is harmless. Well... mostly harmless.

Dilapidated sidewalks in Georgetown Over the past 300 miles, I have fallen off the i2 just a few times. All of those falls occurred during the first 100 miles, when I was still getting used to the ride. However, the phrase "fallen off" is misleading. On a bike, when you crash and/or get tripped up and/or fall, you FALL. You are sitting four feet off the ground and traveling somewhere between 10-30 mph. When your tire hits really rough pavement and you lose your balance, you go flying, and it is almost impossible to land on your feet. In contrast, on the Segway, I have hit rough patches going a bit faster than I should be. The residential sidewalks in Georgetown are paved with bricks, and in several instances, roots from nearby trees have grown under the bricks, causing a pronounced washboard effect at a diagonal angle to the path of the sidewalk. A couple times, the Segway has come to a controlled standstill when I have gone too fast over those ridges, and I learn my lesson, and continue slowly on my way. A couple times, the Segway has not shut down, but rather handled the bumps just fine. I, on the other hand, did not have my knees bent far enough and was not able to maintain my balance on the now earthquaking Segway platform.

What happened? I jumped off. Once, the Segway kept going a few feet before falling over. Once, I was able to keep my grip on the handlebars, running behind the Segway as I tried to slow it down. Key point: I have (so far) always been able to land on my feet, run forward a bit (to keep my feet under the center of gravity of my free-flying torso!), and stay upright. Had I been riding a bike, I would have almost certainly fallen off a couple times over the course of 300 miles through Washington, DC, and odds are I would not have laughed it off so easily.

Owwww The Big Fall came around mile 85. I had ridden for about 10 hours, so I felt pretty comfortable on it -- perhaps too comfortable. I was going too fast over unfamiliar terrain, and before I knew it, I was heading toward a faceplant. It seriously happens FAST, like within a quarter second. As far as I can tell, I think I went up on one wheel, the platform tried to stabilize itself but was bouncing around a LOT, I couldn't keep on it and had to jump off... now my torso was going at 12 mph and my legs were on the ground, probably running at around 8 mph. I'm no expert in physics, but even I could predict what was going to happen next. My left arm shot out to break my fall, and the next thing I knew, I felt my arm scraping against the pavement as my body slid several feet forward. I had skinned my palm, elbow and knee. Luckily, nothing was broken or sprained, but MAN did it hurt. I was wearing my helmet, but my head never touched the ground. Had I been wearing mountain biking gloves, my palms would have been protected and I would have been spared a fair bit of pain. Lesson learned.

When you fall, everything goes everywhere. I was sprawled out face down on the ground. My Blackberry had shot off my hip about 30 feet. My InfoKey had also fallen out of my pocket, and was 20 feet behind me. My trusty Steed, which I thought would be just to my right, had actually continued about 15 feet forward and to my left, and was now face down in the right lane of traffic. Luckily, he's fine -- I've learned the Segways are a lot more sturdy than people!

For a while, I had no idea why I went down. After much deliberation, I have determined that the loss of balance was due to my placing too much weight on one foot while turning in the opposite direction. Apparently I had gotten into the bad habit of "roller skating" on my Segway -- placing all my weight on one foot, and then shifting to the other, and making wide arcs along the sidewalk as I went. Although that kind of gliding might be fun and look neat, it is neither necessary nor wise. I have since corrected my gliding style -- feet firmly planted, center of gravity spread out evenly across both feet -- and I have not fallen off since.

Exercise

Anyone who says riding a Segway is the easiest, laziest, most effortless mode of transportation... has obviously never ridden a Segway. For several months, I had walked one block to the bus stop, sat around for twenty minutes reading the Wall Street Journal and waiting for the bus to arrive, lazily took it three miles, and then walked three blocks to my building. I was never sore, never tired, never excited -- I just existed. At the end of the day, I did the same thing in reverse. At home, when I wanted to go to the store, I wouldn't walk; I would get in my car and sit on my butt for a mile. Repeat the process to come home.

After the first few days (about 30 miles), I FELT it! My quads and glutes were sore, my shoulders were sore, my obliques were sore... I guess that's what comes from trying to keep one's balance at 12 miles an hour on a quaking Segway platform. (Segway virgins, don't misunderstand: The Segway is still "balancing" me; but when I push it hard, I have to work to keep my knees bent to keep my feet firmly planted on the platform and avoid being thrown around.) Now that I've hit the 300 mile mark, my muscles have adjusted, and I no longer have any soreness... but I am definitely using muscles I didn't use waiting for the bus.

I'm not saying I'm going to lose much weight gliding to and from work, and doing errands and seeing friends; but I can say for sure that I won't GAIN any weight by gliding instead of driving or riding the bus. Yeah, of course jogging or biking would be preferable from an exercise standpoint, but I didn't buy the Segway to get exercise, I bought it for transportation. I didn't buy it to replace walking; I bought it to replace driving and busing. That my muscles became sore (in a good way), and I felt it at the end of the week, was just an unexpected bonus.

Criticisms

I must admit, there's not a lot to be critical of. Overall, it's a wonderful little machine which has greatly enhanced my life. That said, I do have a few complaints. In reverse order:

3. The piece of plastic on the center console of my i2 sometimes pops off, as though it's not seated properly. It's annoying, but not a big deal.
2. Someone, please invent a spiffy kickstand for the thing. It's unseemly to have to lean my Segway up against a tree, or worse, set it face down on the ground when I just need to leave it for a minute.
1. My number one complaint is that the speed-limiter in Riderless Balance Mode is set WAY TOO LOW. Let me explain: Sometimes I like to walk my Segway next to me. Sometimes it's not appropriate to ride on it. For instance, when walking through the city with a Sweetie and a Segway, I would much prefer to walk alongside the other person while gently guiding the Segway next to us. But I can't do this, because if you try to push the Segway too fast in Riderless Balance Mode when you're not on it, it starts warning you with lots of shakes, and then shuts down! And when I say "too fast," I mean 2.5 mph. Seriously, I have to slow my walk down to a snail's pace in order to keep the Segway from going into conniptions.

But overall, the good far outweighs the bad. To anyone living in a densely packed city like Washington, D.C., I heartily recommended purchasing a Segway. Not only is it convenient and relatively inexpensive, it's a BLAST to ride! Again, if you haven't seen it, take a look at the video I made of my first Segway ride, "Gliding." (http://www.beforeisleep.net/2007/05/gliding-in-washington-dc.html)

I hope you'll keep up with my Segway adventures at http://www.beforeisleep.net/labels/segway.html. Glide on! :cool:




quade
08-01-2007, 06:54 PM
Excellent article and roughly parallels my experience so far as well.

Keep on ridin'!

dgbint
08-01-2007, 08:29 PM
Great Posting.

Just one tip !
Lose the ipod.

When you are gliding, there is great value in being aware of your surroundings.
Use all of your senses, to maximise your awarness of others.

With earphones your sense of hearing is diminished.

Just a suggestion.

Michael

apollo
08-01-2007, 10:06 PM
Hey Matt,
Great post. I was considering posting something like that when I hit mile 1000 (3 months, 800 miles down) but your post says almost everything I was thinking about saying, and a whole lot more. Your commute is nearly the same distance as mine. I have not had the experience with public transportation and cars, buying the segway instead of being forced into that car/pub. transport alternative. I love your answer, and will probably begin using it because I see people every day waiting for the busses around Atlanta and sitting in traffic as I glide on by.
If I may, for your trips to the grocery store I'd like to recommend getting a good sturdy backpack (http://www.kelty.com/kelty/products.php?type=4&cat=32&id=185) and the segway handlebar bag. I use a backpack almost identical to the one I linked to and I typically have about 35 to 50lbs of groceries, and only on my heaviest trips do I have to hang something off the handlebars, and only then 1 bag. Actually, I think I had 2 bags once. but, anyways, a good backpack for heavy loads and the handlebar bag for things like the segway lock, lights for night, etc are essential items.
Overall, I am very surprised how closely your story mirrors mine. I am just envious of your user group experience and I just wish there was a good user group in the Atlanta area.
[edit]Oh, and I definitely recommend loosing the iPod. I tried my iPod + Etymotic ER-4s once, and I couldn't stand loosing my awareness of my surroundings. The need to be hyper-aware of your surroundings is one of the most important things you learn in your first 100 miles, that along with what speeds are safe on what terrains. Also, for the console plastic, get yourself some velcro. Get the type with adhesive backing for both sides so you can put a few (I have 3) 1"sq. pieces under the console trim. It'll very rarely come off then.

KSagal
08-01-2007, 10:42 PM
Great article.

I listen to music or radio with only one ear. (Sure, you loose one channel, but it is worth the awarness that you get.) I have a small bluetooth transmitter that plugs into my radio if listening to that, and can use a bluetooth mp3 player if wanted...

There are some kickstands out there, many listed on this forum. Not as permanent as one from the factory, but some look pretty good to me...

No solution to the too slow riderless balance mode, but you can claim the extra exercise by pushing the off segway like a lawnmower, when walking with a sweetie. (She will be impressed by the arnold like muscles you will build)

Mostly, have a great time, and continue to have it...

DCTenor1
08-01-2007, 11:25 PM
Karl - I tried dragging it behind me like some kind of reverse lawn mower once. Any impressiveness I may have displayed was completely eliminated by the buckets of sweat pouring off my face. DC in the summer is HUMID!

To everyone else: thanks for your comments. My goal in life is to score rep points here, and I am proud to say that after 52 posts, some in the SegwayChat community have FINALLY approved of something I have written. ;)

But why does everyone assume I am listening to an iPod? I bought a good old-fashioned AM/FM radio for my commute. I glide to NPR, thank you very much! Don't worry, the earbuds are open-backed, and I can hear everything very clearly. I would characterize my gliding attention as a "hyperattention" of sorts... I am super aware of every bump, person, curb, car, everything.

One last thing that didn't make it into my write-up... I don't recommend gliding while tipsy, but WOW! You think it feels like flying when sober? Just try it after you've had a few! I feel like Superman!

(Please, spare me your lectures. I know how wrong it is. But if you have a long straightaway on your own private property, I highly recommend trying it once.) ;)

There goes my newfound rep points!

terryp
08-02-2007, 12:31 AM
Great post and video. I share your enthusiasm, but you put it into words better than I could.

I also share your criticisms. (3) I use a small piece of duct tape on the front of the console trim to keep it in place. It's barely noticeable. (2) I made a bike-style kickstand you could duplicate with common tools that works very well. PM me if interested. (1) I fully agree with the RBM speed being too slow. Don't use it while walking uphill unless you have a good grip because the Seg can quickly go limp and get away from you.

BTW - It looks like you're part of a nice group of owners there in DC.

KSagal
08-02-2007, 01:10 AM
Oh, yeah, on the consol trim.

There was a thread a while back, and some people use small tabs of velcro under it to keep it in place, but I simply use two small pieces of double stick tape. It is much harder to remove, but I see no need to remove it.

In the event that my battery goes dead in the info key, I will have no problem overpowering the two square inches or less of tape...

It has not fallen off yet.

For a parking stand, I use a simple one. It is in my photo gallery (use the controls in the upper right corner, in the blue) and check out the thread on it. I believe the thread was called, "Sometimes we try too hard" or something like that...

hellphish
08-02-2007, 02:01 AM
snip snip

For a while, I had no idea why I went down. After much deliberation, I have determined that the loss of balance was due to my placing too much weight on one foot while turning in the opposite direction.

snip snip

Is it possible you were putting weight on your inside foot instead of the outside foot? This would basically cause the segway to stop turning, allowing you to 'fall' off to one side.

DCTenor1
08-02-2007, 02:39 PM
Maybe... to tell you the truth, I don't know what caused it, but I am pretty sure the fall was sparked by having too much weight on one foot or the other.

(I assumed it was the OUTSIDE foot because when I turn at higher speeds, I tend to shift my torso AGAINST the direction of the turn, acting as a counterweight, while shifting my weight to the INSIDE foot. If I were to shift my torso AND my weight to the outside foot, I would throw off the center of gravity and the platform would definitely start quaking.)

quade
08-02-2007, 05:21 PM
. . . when I turn at higher speeds, I tend to shift my torso AGAINST the direction of the turn, acting as a counterweight, while shifting my weight to the INSIDE foot.

Huh?

I'm trying to imagine what you've said here and it simply doesn't make any sense.

If you turn left, which way are you leaning; left or right?

If you turn left,, which foot are you putting the most weight on; left or right?

DCTenor1
08-02-2007, 06:12 PM
LOL, gosh, I know it doesn't make any sense when writing it out. I even had to go test this description out by getting on the Segway and turning at higher speeds.

It really makes a fair amount of sense, from a physics standpoint:

1. Going ~10 mph, I push the leansteer to the left.
2. My torso, propelled by Newton's First Law (or, simply, inertia), continues to go "straight ahead." It now appears as though my body is leaning slightly to the right.
3. In order to counterbalance the weight of my torso (which is now leaning off the right side of the platform), I put almost all my weight on my LEFT foot.

So in a left turn, I've got the weight on my left foot even though I'm kind of leaning to the right. It feels very natural. (I'll check this again when I glide home tonight to make sure I'm describing it correctly.) Note also that this only applies to a turn at high speed. (I'm pretty sure that, at lower speeds, I turn by simply leaning my body into it -- there is very little inertia to counterbalance.)

How does everyone else turn at high speed?

quade
08-02-2007, 06:35 PM
It really makes a fair amount of sense, from a physics standpoint:

1. Going ~10 mph, I push the leansteer to the left.
2. My torso, propelled by Newton's First Law (or, simply, inertia), continues to go "straight ahead." It now appears as though my body is leaning slightly to the right.
3. In order to counterbalance the weight of my torso (which is now leaning off the right side of the platform), I put almost all my weight on my LEFT foot.


Actually, this might make sense as to how your body might react as a rag doll from a physics standpoint, but is simply awful if you consider it from stability and controllability perspective.

Turning at speed on your Segway is going to create a vector of two forces; gravity (pulling you toward the center of the Earth) and centrifugal (pushing you to the outside of the turn).

Ideally, you want that vector to remain at least within the span of the two tires that are supporting you. If the vector falls outside of the tires, you have a very (VERY!) good chance of tipping over. Did I say chance? More like, you're definitely going to fall over, if the vector is outside the contact patch.

So, lean in the direction you want to turn. This puts your body's CG closer to the inside tire, with the resultant vector more or less centered between them.

Because you're leaning in the direction of the turn, you will naturally bend the inside leg slightly, but try to keep the weight distribution of the two feet as close as you can to one another. Shifting most of the weight to the inside leg -might- enable you to pivot and turn slightly faster in conditions of good traction, but I would advise against doing so on a regular basis. Shifting most of your weight to the outside leg -may- in some cases "feel" more natural, but I would also likewise advise against that.

KSagal
08-02-2007, 06:40 PM
DC Tenor, that is an interesting description...

I always thought that I lean into my turns. I think that I just consider the lean steer frame as my belt buckle, and it goes where I do...

On hard fast turns, I always thought I leaned to the inside even more than the handlebar, so that my weight from top to bottom is 'biting' into the turn, rather than reacting to it. I do have more weight on my outside foot, as I lean by bending my inside knee more than my outside knee. I do not lift my weight off the inside foot, but I seem to think it has less weight than the outside one...

I may be all wrong. I will glide later today, and experiment to confirm that these impressions are indeed, accurate...


This edit comes in as I realize that QUade posted moments before me, and says similar to my experiences...

DCTenor1
08-02-2007, 07:44 PM
Oh my goodness, I feel like the biggest idiot in the world.

On the way home tonight, I confirmed that, indeed, I got it completely backwards! My torso leans into the turn and I tend to shift my weight to the OUTSIDE foot.

I tried turning the way I described it, and found that it was IMPOSSIBLE to turn that way!

LOL. EVERYONE was right but me. Well, at least I can comfort myself with the knowledge that admitting your mistakes is the first step toward correcting them... or maybe, It Takes a Wise Man to Admit What He Does Not Know, or something. Somebody, please give me an adage that will make me feel better. :o

PS - Quade, why would you advise against shifting my weight to the outside foot?

quade
08-02-2007, 07:53 PM
PS - Quade, why would you advise against shifting my weight to the outside foot?

Because your best traction will be if the weight is evenly distributed on both contact patches.

Obviously a loss of traction event is not something we ever want.

legpain
08-02-2007, 11:45 PM
FYI, I use a monaural ear piece I got from Radio Shack. That means all sound comes into one ear. Now the bad part, I'm deaf in the other ear! Hahahahahah!!!!!!

John

DCTenor1
08-03-2007, 01:33 AM
Good point Quade. I'll try not shifting weight to my outside foot, but I'm sure I'll feel less stable... you're saying that's all mental, right?

hellphish
08-03-2007, 01:24 PM
DCTenor, have you tried turning in place with only one foot on the platform? Try a left turn and a right turn with only one foot on the platform. You will find that the segway does not tolerate you lifting your outside foot.

SegWayne
08-03-2007, 02:14 PM
Somebody, please give me an adage that will make me feel better. :o

If the only thing you lost was face, your lesson was cheap.

SEGsby
08-05-2007, 11:00 PM
DC--

I *love* your Avatar.

SEGsby

DCTenor1
08-07-2007, 11:53 PM
Thank you SEGsby, that is a picture of the actual sign on George H.W. Bush's lawn. He, like most world leaders, LOVES his Segway. :)

I may make it my life's mission to procure the actual sign. Anyone want to plan a Heist?

KSagal
08-07-2007, 11:56 PM
I don't know that I have the testicular fortitude necessary to steal things from the lawn of a past president, but I do like the idea of having a sign like that...

I wonder who made it for him... I doubt that Barbara painted it herself...

polo_pro
08-08-2007, 12:41 AM
Those secret service guys have no sense of humor. Might I suggest another approach...check out the video section of this form for a thread I started. Watch the thread. It'll show you how to deal with world leaders, and get them to give you what you want.

You don't even want something as valuable as nuclear weapons!

SEGsby
08-10-2007, 05:31 AM
Just by mere mention on the net, I think you've already lost your chance at getting away with it...

;)

SEGsby

Thank you SEGsby, that is a picture of the actual sign on George H.W. Bush's lawn. He, like most world leaders, LOVES his Segway. :)

I may make it my life's mission to procure the actual sign. Anyone want to plan a Heist?

wwhopper
08-10-2007, 09:37 AM
I am surpised we have not seen one here on Chat for sale yet.

polo_pro
08-10-2007, 11:56 AM
Just by mere mention on the net, I think you've already lost your chance at getting away with it...

Actually, I think we've just found our perfect fall guy....8^) 8^) 8^) Now when the sign disappears of of Bush Sr's front lawn they'll go chase DCTenor1 instead of me. Wait. I just posted this on the internet! Now they'll suspect him first, AND THEN ME!

DOH!

wwhopper
08-10-2007, 06:20 PM
Actually, I think we've just found our perfect fall guy....8^) 8^) 8^) Now when the sign disappears of of Bush Sr's front lawn they'll go chase DCTenor1 instead of me. Wait. I just posted this on the internet! Now they'll suspect him first, AND THEN ME!

DOH!

Polo - 3K miles away from Maine.
DCTenor1 - just 10 hours south - an easy day's drive - and he has a car! - Which makes it easier for him to get there and back.

Polo - not seen in DC often, if ever.
DCTenor1 - often seen in DC which makes him more recongnizable to the Secret Service, as he has to pass by them when he sings for the Prez.

This may be a hard case to crack.....

I think the key will be the Segway Tire Tracks to the site of the crime.....

SEGsby
08-12-2007, 02:15 AM
The essential problem is that, speaking for myself only, I much prefer my Segway over the current President of the US. ;)

So, I'd never actually buy one of those signs, as cool as they are...

And it IS a very cool sign. :)

SEGsby




I am surpised we have not seen one here on Chat for sale yet.