View Full Version : YASA - Yet another scam artist
MagiMike
06-17-2006, 11:21 AM
I got this e-mail today. Be very careful of anyone called Martin_2angel@yahoo.com or **massive**bargains** on e-bay
:mad: "
Message from eBay Member **massive**bargains**
Hi,
I've noticed on eBay that you're looking to purchase this item used Segway Scooter HT i-167 No Reserve Item number: 7250028438. If you're interested, i let you know that i have for sale the same product at the price that you bid it: US $800.00.
We will do the transaction through eBay. For further information you can contact me by email at: martin_2angell@yahoo.com.my (martin_2angell@yahoo.com.my)
:mad: "
I trust we can all see that this is a scam ( or should I say scum)
The sale of item 7250028438 is as far as I know ok its just this low life stealing leads off of an honest sellers auction.
I've seen notices of these acams, but was wondering how the sammer gets the potential buyers e-mail info?
Inquireing minds must know,..
solotrek
06-17-2006, 01:18 PM
Phil,
You click on the high bidder's name and it will take you to their feedback page. You then click on "contact member". Ebay acts like a proxy. The person won't see your email address. Big ticket items, like Segway's, should be listed as private auctions.
Desert_Seg
06-17-2006, 06:21 PM
Ah Shucks! And here I was going to contact him for a good buy. Notice that the ebay account is in the phillipines!
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Message from eBay Member **massive**bargains**
Hi,
I've noticed on eBay that you're looking to purchase this item used Segway Scooter HT i-167 No Reserve Item number: 7250028438. If you're interested, i let you know that i have for sale the same product at the price that you bid it: US $1,500.00.
We will do the transaction through eBay. For further information you can contact me by email at: martin_2angell@yahoo.com.my (http://email.secureserver.net/view.php?folder=INBOX.Trash&uid=6849#Compose)
Thanks.
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Steven
Desert_Seg
06-17-2006, 06:21 PM
Mike,
I think you and I were bidding against each other....I've reached my limit. She's all yours.!
Steven
dale@thecoys.net
06-18-2006, 12:45 AM
Phil,
You click on the high bidder's name and it will take you to their feedback page. You then click on "contact member". Ebay acts like a proxy. The person won't see your email address. Big ticket items, like Segway's, should be listed as private auctions.
Private auctions are also often used as part of scams.
solotrek
06-18-2006, 12:01 PM
Dale,
Good point. A private auction could be used to hide shill bidders. In some cases, I would still use it to protect my bidders. It really comes down to using common sense on Ebay. Checking feedback etc. Bad grammar and foreign sellers are a red flag for me.
dale@thecoys.net
06-18-2006, 12:24 PM
Dale,
Good point. A private auction could be used to hide shill bidders. In some cases, I would still use it to protect my bidders. It really comes down to using common sense on Ebay. Checking feedback etc. Bad grammar and foreign sellers are a red flag for me.
Also - stating in the auction description to email any questions to (whatever email address), rather than using eBay's ask questions. "Because I seldom check that email address".
And, if the price is very low, always check the seller's other items. A large variety of very different items, offered at the same price, and with the auctions closing at almost the same time ... this seller is going to "cut and run".
RC Mike
06-18-2006, 12:36 PM
I'm just curious if anyone else has noticed the number of threads here dedicated to scams on eBay?
Mike
It's been ongoing from long before you were a listmember, Mike. Anytime there's a potentially big ticket item that has limited availability and a public that really wants to get something for nothing, then these kinds of scams are going to run rampant.
Pam
RC Mike
06-18-2006, 12:45 PM
I guess I was just saying that eBay has been a scammers paradise since it started, they have no interest in fixing it, and maybe we should just forget about it as a place to buy?
Mike
Well, other than my most recent problem where someone hijacked my account, I've had very good service from both ebay and paypal. I'd be very leary about buying a big ticket item without some sort of guarantee (like being able to pick it up and paying with a cashier's check) - but so far I've bought and sold several things that have gone through just like clockwork.
Pam
polo_pro
06-18-2006, 10:13 PM
I'm just curious if anyone else has noticed the number of threads here dedicated to scams on eBay?
It's been ongoing from long before you were a listmember, Mike. Anytime there's a potentially big ticket item that has limited availability and a public that really wants to get something for nothing, then these kinds of scams are going to run rampant.
Perhaps a sticky thread in Buy and Sell would be merited. Maybe a title of "Scams this week on Ebay" where people could post the item numbers of the latest scam for Segways. Heck, we could even add the funnier responses we get back from the scam artist to this thread and ridicule their spelling/grammar!
Pam you'd have to come up with a nice intro to start off the thread explaining what motivated you and the community to do this. Then again, there's one problem with this plan...is there a max limit to how big a thread can get? 8^) 8^) 8^)
dale@thecoys.net
06-19-2006, 01:09 AM
I guess I was just saying that eBay has been a scammers paradise since it started, they have no interest in fixing it, and maybe we should just forget about it as a place to buy?
Mike
I don't see how you can say "have no interest in fixing it".
Some things they can fix, and they do. For instance, I've noticed a lot of listings for Segways that are obviously scams (and a lot of cases of obviously phished accounts) where eBay pulls the listings very quickly. It looks to me like they have some automated processes that alert some eBay staffers to review suspicious postings.
Some things just can't be fixed. For example, the "contact member" feature that started this thread. Or, at least, I can't think of a way that eBay could "fix" it without just eliminating it.
It's actually in eBay's interest to maximize the number of satisfied BUYERS.
RC Mike
06-19-2006, 01:16 AM
It's actually in eBay's interest to maximize the number of satisfied BUYERS.
They get paid every time there is a sale. They do not care if payment is recieved or not. They do not care if Item is recieved or not. eBay, Paypal, Escrow.com; none care, I would list the scams, they are simple, they are obvious, but eScam does not care as long as auction fees are paid.
Mike
This sounds like fun. Yes, we can do this plomoh. There is a max limit to threads - we found that out when we ported over the "newbie intro" thread. But, if we hit it, we can start a second :D.
Pam
Perhaps a sticky thread in Buy and Sell would be merited. Maybe a title of "Scams this week on Ebay" where people could post the item numbers of the latest scam for Segways. Heck, we could even add the funnier responses we get back from the scam artist to this thread and ridicule their spelling/grammar!
Pam you'd have to come up with a nice intro to start off the thread explaining what motivated you and the community to do this. Then again, there's one problem with this plan...is there a max limit to how big a thread can get? 8^) 8^) 8^)
unclejay
06-19-2006, 03:05 PM
If eBay simply required positive identification from all buyers and sellers similar to getting a loan or credit card, most problems solved...except for identity theft. As it stands now, you can have 12 accounts nobody cares.
The most serious frauds happen against new buyers who come into eBay expectng straightforward honest deals. They dont have to figure out scam situations on Sears or Home Depot web sites and dont have their guard up.
yosgof
06-19-2006, 04:17 PM
I have bought plenty of stuff on eBay, never a single problem.
Being from outside the US I was sometimes suspected as being fraudulent when buying but always managed to convince the seller that I am who I claim to be – sometimes by just calling the guy. Once I even bought stuff from a seller in Hong Kong and once from the UK.
Is this plain luck?
dale@thecoys.net
06-19-2006, 09:03 PM
They get paid every time there is a sale. They do not care if payment is recieved or not. They do not care if Item is recieved or not. eBay, Paypal, Escrow.com; none care, I would list the scams, they are simple, they are obvious, but eScam does not care as long as auction fees are paid.
Mike
Clearly your mind is already made up, but:
1. Does eBay get paid by scammers when there is a sale?
2. eBay returns fees to the seller, if the buyer does not pay. That would seem to mean that they have an interest in payments being received.
3. I have been reimbursed by eBay when the seller didn't send the item. eBay clearly lost a lot of money on that transaction.
3. I said "It's actually in eBay's interest to maximize the number of satisfied BUYERS." - and you seem to think that's incorrect. It seems to me that satisfied buyers are repeat buyers, and dissatisfied buyers don't come back.
Can you explain why you think otherwise?
Stewbonz
06-19-2006, 09:26 PM
Ebay is here to stay.
Look for it to become the biggest company in the world someday.
RC Mike
06-20-2006, 01:15 AM
3. I said "It's actually in eBay's interest to maximize the number of satisfied BUYERS." - and you seem to think that's incorrect.
OK, I have MANY friends who have had the following happen to them. hopefully the scammers do not read this.
Bid. Rebid
Pay.
Write paypal about no item.
Receive tracking number for empty box/envelope.
Receive either empty box or envelope with UPS tracking number.
Get told by paypal that you cannot report the same sale for late shipment and wrong item.
LOSE MONEY
PAYPAL/eBay/ESCROW dont care. They get paid. You lose the money, they don't care.
Mike
So they only make 1% or so... THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SPACE PROGRAM... HOW MANY COUNTRIES HAVE A SPACE PROGRAM?
http://spaceflightnow.com/falcon/f1/051124preview.html
Mike
Brandis
06-20-2006, 04:39 AM
If they only wanted, there would be lots of things Ebay could implement to improve quality and safety of their services.
Here in Switzerland we have an online auction platform called Ricardo. When you sign up as either buyer or seller, they send you a confirmation letter by postal mail containing a code you have to enter online before you can use their services.
Also, there is a filter which prevents the publishing of e-mail adresses on auction pages. How hard is that to implement?
Marc
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