Tilting the Sensors, in theory.

[Phil]

A few years ago, when I bought a pair of Zorbas Mountaineers for my HT I took it to the backyard to test out on a small hill.
The "Max forward tilt sensors" for lack of a better word, cut in before the tires lost traction.
While I would never try this myself, I wondered if there was a way to trick out the sensors so that they would not cut in so soon, since the traction was better.
If you could hinge the sensor assembly at the front, or rear and allow the entire assembly to pivot either forward or back, say 5-10 degrees out of it's normal plane would this allow the HT to climb steeper hills?
When I start to think this through, my brain licks out when I get to the part where I start to figure if it should pivot in the front, or the rear.
Let me know whast you think, and why.

[cmonkey]

Allowing the sensors to tilt before they engage would only allow the platform to tilt further before balancing kicks in.

This would be a bad thing. Similar to too much play in your steering wheel. You'd have to make much greater movements to make corrections.

The XT software already is already programmed for different traction limits.
If you roll up to a curb, side by side with an XT, and slowly lean forward, you'll see that the XT can actually lean further forward before stick shake occurs.

What I'd like to see is a 14.2 version of software that can be key activated for the stock tires, or for ETTs.

I'd love to have one key for my original Michelins and another for ETTs for playing polo or golf.

David S

[Neelix]

Actually, you can try giving the tilt sensors more play on a stock HT.

Do this at your own risk because you WILL fall if you do it wrong.

All you have to do is not depress the rider detect switches, either by standing on the gearboxes or taking the mat off and standing in the space inbetween the buttons. It'll stay in the lazy balance mode and it feels very weird. Don't go for more than 3 feet or it'll stop balancing, as we all know.

[yosgof]

Actually, you can try giving the tilt sensors more play on a stock HT.

Do this at your own risk because you WILL fall if you do it wrong.

All you have to do is not depress the rider detect switches, either by standing on the gearboxes or taking the mat off and standing in the space inbetween the buttons. It'll stay in the lazy balance mode and it feels very weird. Don't go for more than 3 feet or it'll stop balancing, as we all know.

Thats president Bush all over again.

[Phil]

Not to beat a dead horse, but in theory, if someone took the BSA and adjusted the front Max lean sensor only in relation to the other sensors so that it would take more forward lean before it starts the shake would it allow you to climb a steeper hill if the tires would handle it?

[bystander]

I think the "stick shake" warning is not caused by "over tilting" by itself, but by the angle of the tilt combined with the amount of "reserve" left in the power system.

If the HT feels "it's giving all it's got" and the rider leans more forward, it seems like the tilt limit is causing the restriction, when really, it's the fact that the HT can only pump so many amps through the motors to keep a rider going up at the rate the rider desires.

I guess a way to test this is to have riders of significantly different weights attempt to climb the same hill on the same HT and see if the lighter rider can climb higher before getting the warning.

I think the effect of playing with the BSA mounting angle would only make the platform "other than level" when standing still and when moving at constant velocity.

I'm pretty sure there isn't a "front Max lean sensor" by itself in the BSA. The tilt angle & rate of tilt angle changing are measured, digitized, and sent to the CPUs. Any trip points for responding to "maximum lean" are set by the firmware.