$200 Razor Vs. $5000 Segway...

[Buckaroo Banzai]

Well, my 11 year old cousin and I went for a little glide Sunday.
He on his Razor and me on my Segway.

Lets' just say HE BLEW THE DOORS OFF ME IN BOTH SPEED AND DISTANCE!!

The Razor probably went about 15mph and had about a 10-mile range, electric powered.

Now, I do outweigh Christopher by about 100 pounds, but still, c'mon!
Being out run by a bicycle is one thing but a little Razor???

He said that it is sidewalk legal because it's "all electric" but then again, he's 11.

If I didn't love the Segway so much I might not have been laughing.

Just had to relay this sad yet funny new memory of gliding with Christopher on Sunday.

Peace.

[cmonkey]

Guess you'll just have to try stopping at a crosswalk and see who falls off first!;)

[GyroGo]

electric sidewalk hazard vs. electric pedestrian

[KSagal]

I have found that what works for my 40++ something Butt rarely works for 11 year olds, and what works for 11 year olds rarely still work for me...

However, since you are so enamored with the Razor, I will gladly give you $200 toward your razor purchase in exchange for your old, sad, can't keep up, segway. Just tell me when and where we can make the exchange.

[X-man]

I have found that it's almost impossible to shave with a Segway.

[mario-ramos]

The same company that sells these scooters in Asia sell a segway poor cousin clone.
http://www.asiascooter.com/html-en/china-87-electric-scooter.htm
Mario

[Stewbonz]

The same company that sells these scooters in Asia sell a segway poor cousin clone.
http://www.asiascooter.com/html-en/china-87-electric-scooter.htm
Mario

And it says a top speed of 250 .
Is Steve Wozniac consulting these guys?

[GyroGo]

And it says a top speed of 250 .
Is Steve Wozniac consulting these guys?
top speed = 250lbs
they've invented new conversion formulas, they must know something.

this looks like Q, is it the factory private label, or is it a Q knockoff? on second thought, I really don't care.

[RC Mike]

He said that it is sidewalk legal because it's "all electric" but then again, he's 11.
Make sure he does not bring it to Long Beach. Here it is illegal and subject to confiscation. That would suck for an 11 year old.

Mike

[amturnip]

He on his Razor and me on my Segway...

Isn't the Segway HT the slowest available motorized contraption? Perhaps that is why it is so seldom stolen. It's no good for rabble-rousers, speed demons, bank robbers, or folks with enemies.

[Hauptagon]

When making comparisons like this, I think it's also important to take into account off-road capability and torque (uphill performance, acceleration from stop). I went to school in ND last year and rode the Segway through the entire winter... I realized I'd waisted money on a good pair of snow boots that really never touched the snow more than a few times.

Anyway, none of the razors or bicycles that had populated the sidewalks during the summer were anywhere to be seen.

[GyroGo]

Isn't the Segway HT the slowest available motorized contraption?
NO, but it's one of the safest. They could make them faster, but it's smartly designed to safely coexist with pedestrians.

electric pedestrian.

[amturnip]

NO, but [the Segway HT]'s one of the safest.

Especially compared to tandem scooters, which have relatively small wheels and easily come to a stop faster than the rider does - giving the appearance of throwing him over the handlebars.

But as to the very narrow question of speed, irrespective of other merits, what fully-electrically-powered personal transportation device (hereinafter "contraption") could a Segway HT trounce in a sprint race, on a surface and under other conditions suitable for both contraptions?

[GyroGo]

But as to the very narrow question of speed, irrespective of other merits, what fully-electrically-powered personal transportation device (hereinafter "contraption") could a Segway HT trounce in a sprint race, on a surface and under other conditions suitable for both contraptions?
Well, the Q can't do the same surfaces as the Seg, but can't go as fast. Neither can mobility scooters used primarily by those who can't do the walking. Of course that's not nearly a fair comparison, but it answers your question.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

Good stuff.

I went out on the bike path early this evening.

Hard to explain this thread when you're gliding alongside other riders on the bike path. I pass joggers most often followed by skateboarders,
then in-line skaters and some bicyclists. But those cheap, electric (and gas) scooters leave me behind, I humbling experience indeed.
Those gas ones are obnoxiously loud!

However, I wouldn't exchange IT for anything I've seen out there.
IT certainly is in a class by ITself. Segging truly is my "gliding meditation", relaxing and stimulating at the same time.

I always feel refreshed after a good glide, especially in a light rain.

Peace.

[Sal]

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I always feel refreshed after a good glide, especially in a light rain.

Peace.

Heck yes... I find that Gliding is quite a cathartic experience. Especially in a light breeze.

-Sal

[Desert_Seg]

Heck yes... I find that Gliding is quite a cathartic experience. Especially in a light breeze.

-Sal

I find that gliding at 1/2 speed, moving as I need, or as the Segway needs, is the best healing there is. The waves, the smiles, the positive comments all help, but the essences of gliding is all about the mood, the moment, the feel.

It really isn't about gliding fast....it's just about gliding.

Steven

[amturnip]

Well, the Q can't do the same surfaces as the Seg, but can't go as fast. Neither can mobility scooters used primarily by those who can't do the walking. Of course that's not nearly a fair comparison, but it answers your question.

Aha! That is a fair answer. By the way, I see they all have more than two wheels!

I posit, pending a counterexample, that the Segway HT (on red key) is the slowest two-wheeled, fully-electrically-powered personal transportation device on the planet, by which I mean that any other such contraption can outrun it in a short-distance race that's fair to both contraptions.

We must stipulate upfront that winning this slowpoke race is not a bad thing.

[bystander]

I posit, pending a counterexample, that the Segway HT (on red key) is the slowest two-wheeled, fully-electrically-powered personal transportation device on the planet, by which I mean that any other such contraption can outrun it in a short-distance race that's fair to both contraptions.I think you'll find even the most underpowered of the electric razor-type scooters can outpace a HT on the flat or downhill.

Uphill, however, with equally weighted adult riders, the HT will pass the electric razor scooter, provided the razor is of the cheaper low-wattage variety.

So if it's a race you don't want to win, keep the course downhill, and/or don't challenge the smallest of the electric razor-type scooters with heavy riders.

[KSagal]

Aha! That is a fair answer. By the way, I see they all have more than two wheels!

I posit, pending a counterexample, that the Segway HT (on red key) is the slowest two-wheeled, fully-electrically-powered personal transportation device on the planet, by which I mean that any other such contraption can outrun it in a short-distance race that's fair to both contraptions.

We must stipulate upfront that winning this slowpoke race is not a bad thing.

I offer that your question is flawed. It is like saying you want to compare peas and ice cream as food products... One is naturally occuring, mostly, and the other is a combination of foods.

When you say you want two wheeled, fully-electrically-powered personal transportation devices, I would argue that the segway is unique in that it is the only device that has one axle. (Okay, non-tandem wheels)

If you go on speed alone, so be it. What about a very slow trip off a 6 inch curb. Fair to do with a Segway, cannot be done with a Razor. Does that mean it does not go into the test?

How about a ride up the elevator in the parking garage, then back down the ramps? Must include a quick stop at all levels. Okay on the segway, much tougher on a pocket rocket. Does that mean it is not in the test?

Q has 4 wheels, so no test?

I maintain that the seg is not the slowest, but rather the fastest non-tandem, electrically powered human transporter, because it is the only one. My E is faster than someone elses P, and therefore, mine is the fastest one.

Trevor has one, much squirlier than mine, with smaller wheels and a higher tendency to faceplant, but clearly the only competition at all by your standards of this test... Anyone know how fast it goes?

[bystander]

Trevor built a sucessor to the "squirly" v1 model.
Trevor has one, much squirlier than mine, with smaller wheels and a higher tendency to faceplant, but clearly the only competition at all by your standards of this test... Anyone know how fast it goes?From here:

http://www.tlb.org/scooter2.html


The original balancing scooter (http://www.tlb.org/scooter.html) I made in late 2002 had some shortcomings, so in January 2005 I set out to make a better one. Version 2 is faster, lighter, smoother, and has more range. It has 3 inches more ground clearance, it's an inch narrower so it fits through doorways better, and it has a much better steering system.


Version 1 Segway i-Series Version 2
Speed 9 MPH 12.5 MPH 15 MPH
Weight 90 lb 80 lb 70 lb
Steering touch pads twist grip handlebars
Further along in the page, Trevor says v1 has 14 inch wheels and v2 has 20 inch wheels. He also states that neither of his models have the safety features of the Segway, Inc. models.

[GyroGo]

Aha! That is a fair answer. By the way, I see they all have more than two wheels!

I posit, pending a counterexample, that the Segway HT (on red key) is the slowest two-wheeled, fully-electrically-powered personal transportation device on the planet, by which I mean that any other such contraption can outrun it in a short-distance race that's fair to both contraptions.

We must stipulate upfront that winning this slowpoke race is not a bad thing.
I posit that INC has the technology to make the Segway go faster, but for safety reasons and to maintain status as a legal EPAMD under many of the states' definitions it artificially limits the speed to 12.5mph. You're point is irrelevant. It's not just about speed, it's also about safety and other mobility features that make the Segway unique.

I ask you, what other electripods (electric pedestrians) can go faster? And when they can, add to the question, "safer?".

[Tarkus]

your all just lazy, go take a walk !

Your typing fingers are the only part of you bodies that get any exercise....

[Ground Loop]

I've been smoked by electric razors repeatedly.. uphill, downhill, up steep hills, turning quickly, and coming to a stop. The neighborhood kids get a real kick out of this kind of contest.. but they still want to try the Segway. :)

[KSagal]

I have never been challenged by a kid or anyone else on a Razor... I don't even know if they are legal here...

I do know that I have not yet seen any kid who does not stop and marvel at my chrome Spinner hubcaps. They do not seem able to get enough of them...